Q&A: Camille Paglia

“We’re in a period of what Northrop Frye would have called the winter phase of irony and satire.”
That’s the problem. It’s garbage in, garbage out. People don’t have the perspective or the vision to aim higher. I think also that there’s an embarrassment about egotism, whereas my generation was very egotistical. This new generation is more collaborative, and they’re ashamed of the big, assertive, strong, flamboyant statement. I myself love the idea, which is a high-romantic one, but when was the last time we had it? Axl Rose in Guns N’ Roses? Eddie Vedder was right on the edge there; you could see Kurt Cobain critiquing it before his suicide. Contemporary bands tend to be really PC; you know, none of us is really the star; no one is really showcased up front. It was very important when women took centre stage in rock; now it’s all about the collective.

What no one’s saying, perhaps, is that it’s hard to make good art. It requires dedication, craft.

Also, who are you speaking to? I think people have lost that sense entirely. It’s almost like you’re supposed to speak to your peers, and in the art world that’s bad. It’s a loss of the awareness that you’re creating for a general audience. There was once a sense that the statement you were making was directed to that general audience, whether to entertain or to attack them. But now, the art world has become overpopulated with “artistes,” who are very afraid to make the large gesture, because they don’t want to look uncool in the eyes of their fellow artists. The large gesture is message-heavy, which is perceived as Victorian.

The opportunities are enormous for somebody to come into this vacuum, but how? What do they want to say? You either have to be rebelling against something strong, or be a spokesperson for something strong. It’s the strength that gives you something to push off from, like a diver from a podium in a race. When everything is possible, things get dim and weak. That’s where we are in the arts.

There’s also no dominant culture anymore. Everything has been split up and diversified. When you were growing up, there was the movie palace, which was like the West’s secular-humanist church. Now, that’s faded.

Everything is about niche tastes. There’s no coherence to the arts, no shared generational experience, because everyone has their individual little area. In my era, yes, we had those big movies, and, when I was in college, very few rock albums came out, so when one did, it was an event. Everyone gathered. In my dorm in college, when The Doors came out, I remember standing in a room with other students, listening to “Light my Fire” for the first time. It was the whole thing, the long version. Everyone was just staring at the record moving on the record player. And we were eager to have that experience again; we knew we were into something revolutionary. Same thing with Revolver, when it came out, and Blonde on Blonde. This wasn’t a private experience. The generation was all in the same rhythm. With young people today, everything is fragmented, insular. They don’t know who they’re talking to anymore.
David Balzer's writing on visual art, film, and theatre has appeared in Toronto Life, Canadian Notes and Queries, Cinema Scope, Maisonneuve, and Toronto's EYE WEEKLY, where he is arts editor. He recently finished a short-fiction collection entitled Artists in Peril!
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7 comment(s)

BillJune 26, 2009 13:36 EST

Camille Paglia is SO out of touch with the modern Gay man.

I really wish she would stop discussing us, as any of us who are under 35 could attest to the fact that she stills seems to see Gay men as they were in the 60's and 70's. (You know, the OLDEN days...) ; )

We HAVE evolved, while it appears that Camille Paglia has not. Gay men under 35 could care less about 'the camp' she says Gay men "have always taken very seriously." Maybe that was true 30-40 years ago, Camille. But today's Gay man is very, very different.

Camille might take the time to get to know a Gay man under 35. She may be surprised to find out that a lot has changed. A lot, it appears, except Camille Paglia.

AnonymousJune 26, 2009 15:19 EST

I get real sick of the 'deep-seated narcissism' of the baby-boomer generation. I also laughed hysterically when you used Camille Paglia and humility in the same sentence.

AnonymousJune 27, 2009 13:50 EST

Bill, did you read the whole paragraph?
Paglia goes on to point out the very thing you accuse her of not pointing out: the fact that most younger gay men aren't especially interested in camp. They may not be interested in it, but it's a viewpoint that has irrevocably infiltrated queer and straight culture, and acted as bridge between the two. It's here to stay. Feminist fridge magnets are camp. Austin Powers is camp. Once you've seen the world enriched through camp goggles, it's pretty much impossible to go back to the way you saw it before. Nb. It's camp with no article, not "the camp."

TimJune 27, 2009 15:24 EST

I saw Camille's ROM appearance and loved it, even if it was a little long (chalk my fidgeting up to the uncomfortable chairs, more than anything else).

If Paglia wants to do something about the decline in arts education, I really hope she puts her many talents to use and does some kind of documentary series. THere is a real hunger out there for real learning and she is well-placed to educate a lot of people. Even if it's just a website with a bunch of videos. I'll take anything.

Great interview too! Thanks guys.

Deasil WiddershinsJuly 05, 2009 08:56 EST

Culture today is just "more cowbell". Gay today is decorating and giving others dressing advice. Art today is 2 min youtube videos and 1 liners in emails. And when we think we're serious, we turn it into a pseudo sports competition. Yup, the baby boomers just keep whining their way through (emphasis here on the "baby" part of the name), pretending they're into something profound, on the road to ruining not 1 but 2 centuries. I wonder where real art and real people might actually be anymore?

DJ YoungJuly 08, 2009 15:08 EST

Just to take issue with her take on Twitter as leading to the end of long form, considered writing - I have to disagree. Twitter is simply a gateway that writers and others use to bring attention elsewhere. 140 characters or less is useful if you want to make a quick, snarky comment, but I'd never post a review or an essay like that. In fact, my most recent review is over 3000 words long and I frequently read other bloggers and reviewers and writers who use Twitter in the same way.

I do believe there is still a vast and unblinking army of writers out there who will never allow the fractured language of social networking to consume traditional discourse - this would truly mean an end to culture. Media tools are just that - tools, for the toolbox, not the arsenal.

SimoneAugust 07, 2009 12:34 EST

I think arts have moved towards different locii: multimedia, gaming, anime/manga and fanworks. At least that's what I see with the young people at the local middle and senior high schools. There is a lot of influence from Japan, Korea, India and China, and it seems to be very vibrant. Beyond that, art seems to be celebrated at venues like Burning Man or other community festivals. There is a component to it which is tied in with 'spontaneous' happenings, group or community centred activities as opposed to individual works, ephemerality (which is as much a socio-political statement as it is artistic), and technology.

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