Chop Chop Square

Inside Saudi Arabia’s brutal justice system
A slender sword — four feet of shining steel, curved at the end — hovers high above a kneeling figure shrouded in white. Only the kneeler’s neck is exposed. Sixty or so men watch from the edge of a granite courtyard, behind a patchy line of eight soldiers in tan uniforms. The man wielding the sword looms high, almost spectral, in a flowing white dishdasha and a red-checked headcloth. He is ready to swing but then steps back. He huddles with two police and the one person who can make this stop: the victim of the crime that’s being punished.

The huddle breaks, and the executioner retakes his position, left of the condemned. He sets his right leg forward and his left leg back, as if about to stretch his left calf. Sunlight flashes on the blade as he draws it above his head.

Saudi Arabia’s leading executioner, Muhammad Saad Al-BeshiFrom an Arab News article, June 5, 2003

Illustration by Dennis Chow

Illustration by Dennis Chow“I am very proud to do God’s work... No one is afraid of me. I have a lot of relatives, and many friends at the mosque, and I live a normal life like everyone else... I deal with my family with kindness and love. They aren’t afraid when I come back from an execution. Sometimes they help me clean my sword... It’s a gift from the government [worth SAR 20,000, or around $6,800 CAD]. I look after it and sharpen it once in a while, and I make sure to clean it of bloodstains.”
This is Saudi Arabia, one of the last places on earth where capital punishment is a public spectacle. Decapitation awaits murderers, but the death penalty also applies to many other crimes, such as armed robbery, rape, adultery, drug use and trafficking, and renouncing Islam. There’s a woman on death row now for witchcraft, and the charge is based partly on a man’s accusation that her spell made him impotent. Saudi Arabia executed some 1,750 convicts between 1985 and 2008, yet reliable information about the practice is scarce. In Riyadh, beheadings happen at 9 a.m. any given day of the week, and there is no advance notice. There is also no written penal code, so questions of illegality depend on the on-the-spot interpretations of police and judges.

What’s certain is that the Koran guides the justice system, with some laws passed to address areas the holy book does not. The Saudi interpretation of the Koran discourages all forms of evidence other than confessions and eyewitness accounts in capital trials, on the theory that doing otherwise would leave too much discretion to the judge. But at any time until the sword strikes, a victim’s family can pardon the condemned — usually for a cash settlement of at least two million riyals ($690,000 or so) from the convict or his family.

In rare cases, often politically sensitive ones, King Abdullah grants a pardon, one of the last hopes for Canadian national Mohamed Kohail, now twenty-four,who faces beheading after being convicted for the murder of a Syrian youth during a schoolyard brawl in Jeddah. His younger brother Sultan, who reportedly instigated the fight by insulting a Syrian girl, could also face the death penalty, as his case has been transferred to an adult court on appeal. Allegedly, Mohamed was told that if he signed a document stating that he punched the victim in the stomach, he would be freed. Many who live to recount their experience in the Saudi justice system report that police promised freedom in exchange for a confession — or tortured them to get one.

In Riyadh, beheadings take place in a downtown public square equipped with a drain the size of a pizza box in its centre. Expatriates call it Chop Chop Square. I showed up at 9 a.m. most days for several weeks. After arriving at the barren granite expanse for yet another morning, I’d drink tea with merchants in the bazaar next door. Popular opinion seems to allow more respect for the executioners than sympathy for those wrongfully convicted, and rumours about the mysterious swordsmen abound. “He must kill,” one carpet dealer told me. “If he doesn’t kill for a few days, they give him a sheep to kill.” The job is a coveted one, often passed from father to son. In a Lebanese TV clip now on YouTube, a Saudi executioner shows off his swords and describes his approach: “If the heart is compassionate, the hand fails.”

Still, the process is less overtly public now than it once was. Corpses aren’t hung for display in the square as often, and beheadings drew much bigger crowds when they were a regular event, held on Fridays after noon prayers. No formal event or fanfare begins or ends them now, and nothing indicates awareness or concern about how alien this is to outsiders.

At 8:55 a.m. on a Monday morning, I arrive at Chop Chop Square for my regular check-in. In the middle is a police car, a yellow van, and the executioner in a crisp white dishdasha. Despite all I’ve learned in the past two weeks, what is about to happen still seems impossible.

At 9 a.m., the executioner gently lowers the blade to jab at the condemned’s neck, which jerks the prisoner’s body to attention. Then the real blow: the blade is drawn high up, then swung back down. It cleaves skin, muscle, and bone with a hollow, echoing thud. A lurid crimson waterfall chases the head to the granite with the sound of a wet rag being wrung out over a stainless steel sink. The body sways forward, snaps up, and slumps off to the right.

The executioner wipes his blade with a white cloth that he then tosses away. It flutters in small arcs as two men in blue jumpsuits descend from the yellow van, hoist the body, and lay it on a stretcher. One grabs the head by the cloth tube that covers it. A loudspeaker lists the decapitated man’s crimes: rape, drug trafficking, and possession. The executioner sheathes his sword. A thickly bearded soldier claps his hands and wipes them against each other in the air — that’s it. By 9:05, the only other person in Chop Chop Square is a janitor, hosing down the granite.

55 comment(s)

Bob TodrickApril 15, 2009 15:18 EST

Wow...beheading, what a harsh, barbaric practice.
Except that according to UN stats for 2008 the average crime per 1000 people is 2.5 instances (60 countries are ranked).
Canada and the U.S. are both near the top of the list, both with averages in the mid 7's (crimes/1000 people).
Saudi Arabia sits at #57 with an average of .017 crimes/1000 people.
I most definitely would not want to see public beheadings in Canada...but the age old argument that physical punishment does not deter crime seems to be put to rest by these stats.
Maybe it's time that the criminals in society didn't have more rights than the victims.

Roger PaulApril 20, 2009 07:50 EST

I lived in Sweden and Denmark, and the crime rate in these countries is abysmally low! Saudi Arabia is a barbaric, medieval kingdom. If countries were really invaded for human rights violations, rather than for oil and resources, it would be near the top of the list!

Quintus SlideApril 20, 2009 19:14 EST

I'm also charmed by Bob Todrik's assumption that an authoritarian, closed society is accurately reporting its crime statistics. That's just precious.

John CorbettApril 20, 2009 19:23 EST

Bob Todrick: Sure, physical punishment is effective - especially when combined with a justice system which apparently determines the crime on the spot and presumes guilt. Obviously, crime will be low - because society will be paralyzed by the fear of doing anything that might be attract attention as out of the ordinary. That's not a society I'm eager to emulate.

SeldenApril 20, 2009 19:44 EST

I lived in Saudi Arabia from 1978 through mid-1983, a period that included the attack on the grand mosque at Mecca. The participants in the attack were divided into small groups, and executed at various locations around the country. Video of beheadings followed the evening news.

Around 1981, a couple of Korean guest workers robbed and killed a gold merchant in al-Khobar. They were caught at the airport, tried, sentenced, and executed within 5 days.

During this period, a police officer who had been caught multiple times for stealing things from automobiles had his hand chopped off at the Friday mosque. Anybody in the vicinity was caught up in a dragnet to witness the behanding. The gray, severed hand was held up for all to behold.

When I returned to the USA on repatriation leave each summer, people would ask me if I wasn't concerned about my safety living there. My answer was always, "Are you kidding? The most dangerous thing I do every year is come back to the USA."

I don't condone the Saudi justice system, but I have to say that (as long as you are not a person of interest) there is nothing like a well run police state for personal safety. And, I'm really not certain that it is any worse than the American justice system, which has the highest incarceration rate in the world.

"And why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye?"

AnonymousApril 20, 2009 19:45 EST

To Bob Todrick. Yes, the same society that sent young people to take our buildings down with hijacked planes. Maybe we should invite the Saudi's to America to run our criminal justice system.

AlexApril 20, 2009 23:44 EST

Not sure if any of this is relevant to arguments about deterrence, but all of the Scandinavian countries have more murders and total crimes per capita than Saudi Arabia, and Denmark and Finland have more crimes (though not murders) per capita than the US. http://bit.ly/jmxyz

Chris S.April 21, 2009 03:28 EST

Thank you for this incredible article, which must have been a challenge to research. It is hugely important to shine a light on this barbaric practice, and to record the details for posterity.

It's sad that some authoritarian commenters were so aroused by this description that they feel our own society should follow suit, setting us back five hundred years. Did they not read that there's a human being on death row in Saudi Arabia for *witchcraft*?

SteveApril 21, 2009 08:14 EST

You know what the business community thinks of you? They think that a hundred years ago you were living in tents out here in the desert chopping each other's heads off and that's where you'll be in another hundred years, so on behalf of my firm I accept your offer.

Syriana

PrasannaApril 25, 2009 02:49 EST

I think the argument that crime is lower where physical punishment is there is absolutely bollocks. The crime rate in Saudi is low because the maximum comitted crimes are not even recorded. Because those are committed by the state.

bobtodrickApril 27, 2009 15:26 EST

Ahhh...liberal responses at their best (the reason I didn't renew my subscription to the Walrus this year).
Who cares about the rights of innocent people to be able to walk around with an expectation of safety? No, it's all about that liberal bugaboo...'judge a society on how it treats it criminals'...the victims be damned.

anatworkApril 27, 2009 22:49 EST

In the late 1800's Great Britain had a soaring crime rate. It also had one of the harshest penal code systems of the time. Children were regularly sentenced to death by hanging for stealing a loaf of bread. Thousands of people were transported to Australia and (prior to independence) the American colonies every year. It took an early economist to notice the disparity between these two statistics. And it was one of the founding principles on which the concept of punishment according the crime was built. The theory is if I'm going to have my head chopped off anyway why *shouldn't* I steal the loaf of bread to feed myself first? (I was about to write dying mother instead of myself but as this is a supposition let us by all means reason in terms of shades of grey).

I do not know what the situation in Saudi Arabia is like. I do know, from the little that I have read about it that people living there go in fear of attracting attention and are not allowed many of the simple things that we often take for granted. Remember that both women and men face a complete restriction of movement and have little to no freedom of expression. The case is different from Great Britain in the late 1800's in that the British were able to express their opinions and people like Jeremy Bentham were able to work to change the judicial system. And yes, legalism has become alarmingly complex in certain developed nations. However, I'm sure bobtodrick would be bitterly complaining in his mind about not being able to complain about his lack of freedom on his website of choice were he living in Saudi Arabia.

And about the woman on death row accused of witchcraft because she caused *impotency* in a man? I feel terrible for her.

AnonymousApril 29, 2009 08:49 EST

I am a bit surprised, (or may be i should not have been) that even now this type of writing remains typically "western". Blood, gore, heartlessness, hollow thud of the sword, I mean, I am sure that's true, but boy have you made it sound like a film!

And do correct me if I am wrong, but in the USA the capital punishment is meted out in front of the aggrieved family or those who wish to see it! Does it really matter if its decapitation by a sword or electrocution or poisoning?

KalierisApril 29, 2009 17:46 EST

@Selden: With regard to "as long as you are not a person of interest" - one of the huge problems with a justice system that holds witness testimony as the gold standard for evidence is that there is nothing whatsoever to prevent anyone at all from becoming a "person of interest," and nothing to reverse the course of events once someone has been thus identified.

AnonymousApril 29, 2009 18:29 EST

I lived in Saudi, and the crime rate really is incredibly, dramatically, low.

It's still a horrible place to live, but not because of high crime. The brutal system of justice absolutely reduces crime, but it has negative effects as well.

AbbasApril 29, 2009 19:56 EST

how is killing someone publicly any different from killing someone privately? you're still killing them. the US is no better in that regard with certain states still condoning capital punishment. don't make this about religion because that's all this article seems to be about. it should be about the barbaric act of capital punishment. whether you do it through a needle or electricity or a sword, at the end of the day you're taking another humans life.

OmnivoreApril 29, 2009 23:45 EST

Gee Bob Todrick, let's look at those stats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Canada

Sexual Assault: 68/100,000, or .68/1000
Homicide: 1.9/100,000, or .019/1000
Theft under $5000: 1,889/100,000 or 18.89/1000

So that 7/100 would seem to mean that yes, Bob wants folks killed for stealing a loaf of bread. No thanks, Bob, but feel free to avail yourself of the safety and security of Saudi anytime.

or perhaps:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_murder_rate

Canadian Murder Rate:1.85/100,000
Saudi Murder Rate: 0.92/100,000

Golly, Bob was right. With half the murder rate of Canada, it must be a pretty nice place to live, and it certainly must be the case that capital punishment is the reason.

Of course, below Saudi Arabia we find Ireland, Luxembourg, Austria, Denmark, Norway, Mali, Qatar, Greece, Mauritania,Hong Kong and Morocco — 11 out of the 14 lowest murder rates, all of whom either have abolished capital punishment outright, or have not imposed it for years or decades.

And of the murder rates of countries at the top of the list 5 out of the worst 10— #1 Iraq (89/100,00), #3 Sierra Leone(50/100,000), #7 Guatemala (45/100,000), #8 Angola (40/100,000) and #9 Somalia (33/100,000) — have and actively use the death penalty.

So I'd say that yes, the age old argument that physical punishment does not deter crime seems to be put to rest by these stats.

RayyanApril 30, 2009 04:58 EST

Every law has it merits. There is no difference Capital punishment still in few states and I agree with Abbas.

AnonymousApril 30, 2009 10:01 EST

Quite simply, they are beasts. Energy independence will (hopefully) drain their coffers and send them back to the sand pits and caves from whence they were birthed.

AndrewApril 30, 2009 18:42 EST

I agree with Rayyan and Abbas that the public nature of Saudi execution is not different than the private nature of execution in Texas, etc.

Moreover, in certain aspects, our Saudi public system may be preferable, inasmuch as the executions are not as sanitary and disguised as a lethal injection.

Perhaps the spectacle of killing a fellow human being should be somewhat gruesome, so that citizens are not lulled into thinking that a killing is ever a pleasant or antiseptic process.

I would further offer Western readers the thought that subjecting a human being to a lifetime without parole in a degrading, violence-wracked and pathology-inducing prison, such as those in the United States, France, Poland, etc. ought not to be viewed as somehow "humane."

While it may be appropriate to describe a bloodied decapitated body as mediaeval, is it not also equally barbaric to subject a human being to a lifetime of torment in a prison run by sadistic fellow-prisoners and guards?

And, is the torment of 50 years in such a prison really better than the shorter, but perhaps more intense torment of a Saudi capital prisoner?

So, while I do not wish to exculpate the system of my country from criticism, I would request that all those in Christian Europe and America first ensure that those of you who are without sin be the ones to cast the first stone.

Our system is certainly barbaric at times, I agree.

Yet I would have you also look at your own system and say that it is not.

AnonymousMay 01, 2009 15:56 EST

You have to love the liberals, bleeding heart or otherwise. Perhaps the executions are cruel and extreme for the offenses, but what are your alternatives? Let's understand the criminal, his motives, why he had to turn to a life of crime. Maybe we can rehabilitate him. Then you have the mess we have in our prisons that we have now. Verify the crime, give the criminal a limited number of appeals and then let the execution proceed. The 20 years between crime and punishment disconnects it and makes it useless as a deterrent.

AnonymousMay 03, 2009 18:13 EST

I lived in Saudi 1990-1992. In Riyadh, to be exact.

Yes, I agree with those who said that to live in Riyadh was to live in a safer place than you could find in most of North America, Asia or Europe.

But I had Eritrean buddies who said that if a black guy did something bad they could easily be scooped up as the bad guy.

I don't like that too much. If an African guy could be wrongly executed, so could a white guy. Or a yellow guy. Or even a Saudi guy.

Just think about it.

RodolpheJune 16, 2009 04:31 EST

I do not think that the electric chair is more human than the saudi sword. What I think is the death penalty is barbaric. Whatsoever the people who pratices it !

AnonymousAugust 02, 2009 05:49 EST

People seem to be content with a criminal supported society;; when you go to a Country like Saudi Arabia you know the laws first hand DON"T BREAK THEM.. Laws are made for those who chose to do otherwise.. If you don't do things like traffic drugs,, or commit adultery then why are you complaining about it... People be the first to complain about drug dealers or violence but then when they are dealt with people say why do you treat them so bad;; Criminals have penalties based on what they do granted I don't agree with the one eye witnesses account on the witchcraft because that is his own belief and there is nothing to verify that.but the majority of the crimes are subject to the law and should be with little or no question of why the offender is being punished (excepting going against th Koran but its their country)... Kats stay talking about human rights but never consider the rights of the dead, raped, molested, or severely battered victims... If we are going defend criminals let it be the ones who are criminals because they stand for whats righteous.....instead people chose to defend rapist, murderers, and child molesters... You people who do so must look at what you are stand for and supporting..Westerners got the nerve to call Saudi's barbarians when they let crime rule their streets and put their parents in nursing homes.. Look in the mirror Ya'll

saraSeptember 25, 2009 14:50 EST

I like the Suadi system of dealing with crime. However, I do also agree that it can hard for people to express themselves there. It is also true that in the United States we have the highest number of prisoners. For instance, a year ago the guy sitting next to me was someone who served many years in prison for murder but right now he is free. When it comes to rape or murder I believe that there should be no excuse. The most that can happen is someone fighting for themselves and killing somoene to save their lives. But 95% it's usually the murderer who is at fault because it was his intent to kill. I mean women get raped here in America every few seconds. I don't say that we should become like Saudi's but face it guys, the American judicial system sucks! Maybe not forever but for a few years we do need these beheading out in public so the next guy that I sit in class with wasn't bailed out of jail for selling drugs.

AnonymousOctober 11, 2009 23:40 EST

From time to time I wonder whether the death penalty should exist. The idea that the state ever decides it knows best when to take a life kind of astounds me,, especially considering cases of wrongful conviction or who can afford a great lawyer and who can not. I know I was once mad enough to run outside of my house with a gun in my hand to scare off a guy who was breaking into my car at 3AM and it turned out to be a 16 year old kid.

The idea that I could have made a big mistake in anger and having been exhausted and startled from my sleep after the aggravation of my house being 'prowled' a few nights in a row before I caught the kid and the police being nowhere to be found,, what if I shot the kid and caught a raw deal with no expensive lawyer against a hot shot prosecutor. THe wrong 12 people sitting there and all of the sudden all the people I ever helped in life, all the good things I ever did for anyone could be argued over, my words twisted etc etc.

I wonder sometimes whether a person like me could by some twist of fate end up on the receiving end of a saline drip. But, I'm white.

As for chop chop square 'as it's know by expatriates' I wonder what kind of price tag these expats place on human beings that they are willing to make a living in a country that does this to people. Eh, that guy just got his head sliced off but my paycheck is phenomenal so I'll stick around and work.

SeyMour BrownOctober 16, 2009 20:06 EST

I find it interesting to see so many on this site calling the practices of the Saudis, barbaric. How can anyone who is from European decent ever call anyone else barbaric, beast or savage? The whole of Caucasian history is marred by war and bloodshed even up until today. It was not too long ago that European colonialists in Africa, Asia and the Americas used beheading and mutilation against indigenous people. And it is interesting that the writer questions the legitimacy of the execution. Just recently it has been speculated that the Texas Gov. Perry presided over an execution of an innocent man. Where is the outcry over this and many other executions that occur in America against the poor, non-White and under-represented? How come some of you that use the terms barbaric don't apply it to yourself and kind as you murder non-whites for whatever reason you can come up with?

AnonymousNovember 03, 2009 13:17 EST

i say the saudi's shouldn't give them the death penalty over renouncing islam

AnonymousNovember 04, 2009 11:33 EST

i think this is just wrong! yes they should be punished and its good that saudi arabia takes it seriously ,,,but beheading them is just not right! we r not in the medieval times..we r in the 21st century

FriendgillNovember 04, 2009 12:19 EST

The Soviet Union was the same way during the height of the Stalin era. Americans who visited, including Armand Hammer gushed about the fact that they could walk the streets alone at midnight without fear of being accosted. Truth be told, there were people perishing by the millions in the Gulags for crimes like being late for work, or being unemployed for longer than a few weeks, or other crimes that would typically be viewed as being part of that category described above as "not being a person of interest."

truth seeker November 19, 2009 03:42 EST

when does the modern world will get into saudi arabia ? they are light years behind ...

Hater of IslamNovember 26, 2009 23:27 EST

People who respect what happens in Saudi Arabia, that is a low crime rate and feelings of safety, must consider given the backward way of finding a person guilty, it would be EASY for authorities and anyone else wanting to set up an innocent person. Plant some dope in his car, call a cop, and the innocent man is dead. The system favors those who rule, oppose them in even the SLIGHTEST way and you will likely find a pound of opium in your house just before the police arrive.

AnonymousDecember 05, 2009 16:46 EST

ok sure beheading comes off harsh but its not , ot keeps the crinr rate low and sets an example for the rest of us , the example of what not to do , if these ppl followed the laws of god this would never happen and they braught it on themselves.if someone killed a loved one of mine tomroow i would wish i could behead them too

VicoFebruary 01, 2010 03:12 EST

very scary, but....it is a law

AnnaFebruary 01, 2010 03:18 EST

The death sentence is agains the humanity

AnonymousJune 23, 2010 10:49 EST

To all those who say death penalty is "barbaric" I want to ask them a question: if your sister/daughter/mother/wife/girlfriend gets raped and killed, what punishment would you want to be meted out to the perpetrator?

How senseless it is to say that physical punishment does not deter crime by claiming there are countries in which incidence of crime is lower than that of those countries which adopt death penalties. Lack of crime doesn't justify the judicial system- maybe the people that live there are really peaceful so we don't know yet whether not having death penalty works best.

Apply the Islamic judicial system in America and see its fruits.

AnonymousJuly 05, 2010 13:18 EST

Well lets not call it an Islamic \"Justice\" system please, if you don\'t consider evidences other than eye witness or confession in major crimes such as murder, then you negate a vast science called criminology and crime detection, This is just not right, that kinda system might have been relevant during prophet but please not now.

AnonymousJuly 09, 2010 17:59 EST

@Bobtodrick and all the right wingers mocking anyone for calling this brutality out for exactly what it is. Yeah I am a bleeding heart liberal. However your idiotic responses about how "the innocent be damned" and "who cares about being able to walk around safely in a free society without fear of being victims of a crime" I agree about rights of innocent people......INNOCENT being the key word. Did you READ the article? What do you have to say about the woman on death row being accused of being a witch? So you agree that someone should be able to say "this woman is a witch and I can prove it....because she made me impotent! You're all good with that? So if you are so comfortable with this system perhaps you should get some first hand experience. Off with your head......you are all witches and I can prove it......you make me spit milk out of my nose by your ridiculous comments.....and you make me crazy. CHOP CHOP!

AnonymousAugust 27, 2010 09:27 EST

i lived in Saudi Arabia for sometime. The country has advanced dramatically over the past twenty years but the mentality of the people remains relatively static guided by a religion, Islam, that is some five hundred years behind Christianity in development and stiffled of reason by a ridiculously rigid interpretation of the Quran. However, above all, despite a moden infrastructure, it is too much to expect a nation to progress from being desert nomads to civilisation in less than a century.

A RSeptember 06, 2010 11:18 EST

I currently live in Riyadh and can honestly say that the most dangerous thing here is the driving. I havnt (touch wood) seen any crime at all, and I believe this justifies the judicial system here. Regarding westerners at Chop Chop square being pushed to the front, this is because it is a final insult to the person being beheaded. Seeing a "non-believer" just before execution is really bad for muslims. I`d advocate for this to be adopted in Britain as it may put an end to petty crime, and make people think twice before picking up a knife or gun, or raping someone.

AnonymousSeptember 06, 2010 11:18 EST

im sorry to say but ur a big liar, i live in riyadh and i know that public beheadings only take place on fridays and thursday

media is so corrupted nowadays sheesh!

Used2BeWitchSeptember 22, 2010 10:42 EST

Wow some of the comments are as ridiculous as the 'Laws in Saudi Arabia'. 1st for writer "I`d advocate for this to be adopted in Britain as it may put an end to petty crime" Oh yes we've gone from "off with your heads" for murders, rapists, even an accused witch. Now someone advocates this for 'petty crimes in Britain' as a deterrent? Or how about this one "if these ppl followed the laws of god this would never happen and they braught it on themselves"Well now, which God are you talking about? Didn't u see one of the ways to get beheaded is over relgion... Now we know why our forefathers here in the US decided we should separate Church & State (must have been because he had seen the future. Maybe he was a witch) All in all to be quite honest what bothers me the most? That ANYONE at ANYTIME can be put to death for ANY reason! Does it not trouble people working there that you don't have to be doing anything wrong. All it takes is an accusation, no proof, no defense, witnesses, jury etc...Just point your finger... RADIO AD "Men Can't Stand Your Wife? Would love to divorce her but Why Should You Lose Half your Money? Call your travel agent NOW, book your next vacation TODAY! Visit Saudi Arabia, we're having a 2 for 1 Mother's Day special! Bring your mother-in-law too, get rid of the Bitch & the Witch at the same time!...The Saudi Arabian Chop-Divorce, practically painless~~ it's over in just minutes!"

AnonymousSeptember 28, 2010 15:19 EST

Anyone attempting to paralell the US system of justice with that barbaric institution need to go there and beg for their beheading to rid them of their miserable small brain. Because your brain not functioning anyways. It's not the same, it is barbaric and uncivilized to think that this is still practiced in 2010. There have been cases in the US where a people were found to be innocent after as much as 20 years behind bars but were freed with the intervention of DNA technolgy and better investigative tools. Ask any prisoner in any jail whether he prefer death over life and watch how many hands go up. The system of justice in that barbaric primative place is the case civilization turned upside down. Civilized societies practice innocent till proven gulity, not cut off a head and worry about it later. The time from accusation of a crime to death does not allow for any credible chance of proving innocence. So much for all that political politeness. Its barbaric

Ronnel PetersmithJanuary 21, 2011 14:22 EST

Reply to - Bob Todrick

Yes the murder rate is about 2.4 in both Saudi Arabia and Iran and about half the American rate. However, this type of law leads to terrible injustices and, if you can get about $700,000 out of a victim cheating sure works well. All you need do is to pay off some 'eyewitnesses.

BrettMarch 06, 2011 21:56 EST

If you visit Saudi Arabia, It is my advice to go from the airport in Riyadh to the hotel and do your shopping close by - especially if your wife is with you. The Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice or religious police are scary people who are about 3,500 strong, with a multitude of informants.

If your wife forgrets her hijab she can be in great trouble for promoting adultery. If she wears her hijab she can be in great trouble for impersonating a Muslim. My advice; Leave the airport, take a shuttle to the hotel and stay in the hotel.

AnonymousMarch 11, 2011 10:47 EST

As an American woman who lived all of her teenage years in Saudi Arabia, I can tell you that I hated Saudi Arabia for a multitude of reasons. Public executions however was not one of them. I was never afraid for my safety and crime was practically unheard of. For the most part the only crime I ever heard of was maids stealing jewelery and other belongings from their employers. In case you are wondering, no they were not beheaded but usually deported. Of all of the countries I have lived in over the years, I felt safest in Saudi by far. Saudi can be faulted for many things but when you find a better way to deter crime, please let me know...

KeithMarch 22, 2011 08:47 EST

I've always wondered if the real reason for saudi brutality is it's a politically tool. They can execute who they like for whatever they like when they like. Interpretation is kept open, evidence and defense is ignored unless it leads people to chop chop square and it also seems they prefer to execute foreigners.

The universal truth is that yes it's a deterrent, but it's not really the answer to crime in the same way that looking at the causes of crime could be. Bit is it really anything at all to do with crime and more to do with controlling a population who seem either backwards and superstitious or incredible cultured, sophisticated and educated.

Katieyha J.June 25, 2011 21:09 EST

The capital punishment is controversial issue for several people in the U.S.. America is one of the few nations in the industrial world that still make use of the death penalty. Though the argument over the capital punishment and its morality is one that will continue for a long time, the expenses of the death penalty is considerable. Here is the proof: Taxpayers foot hefty bill to have the death penalty

sanjeev georgeOctober 31, 2011 16:06 EST

My God! such a Barbaric nation! no one should go to work there!
But it will end , like Libya did.
No one but God controls all that occurs in this world.
Hitler,Mussolini,Gaddafi......all are hell bound.

JeffNovember 07, 2011 16:24 EST

I live and work in Riyadh. Yes, the crime rate is very low because the consequences are horrible. There is no pretense of rehabilitation....only punishment. It is swift and severe. The West needs to move toward this philosophy in dealing with the \"convicted\". However, here is the problem. The \"alleged\" criminal has no Constitutional, Civil, or even human rights. (ie., search warrants, etc..) Proper defense, coupled with the cornerstone of our legal system in that the accused is presumed \"innocent until proven guilty\", does not exist in Saudi. A mere accusation and you may be presumed guilty, unless you can prove innocence. And a pecking\" order, social status, or heiarchy exists (due to politics, racism, and financial resources). A poor dark-skinned Bangladeshi or Indian laborer might be executed, lashed or imprisoned for a crime, whilst a light-skinned Western Engineer may only get deported for that same crime. There is no real equality (justice is blind) under Sharia law.!!!!
This is why the American justice system (even with all its faults) is superior, in my opinion.
Thankyou

confusedJanuary 09, 2012 14:44 EST

i have lived & worked in Saudi fro over 10yrs. I have to explain one thing you are all forgetting. Before we come here we are told the rules the laws etc. You are aware that witch cratf is punishable by death. Its not hidden your told so dont get involved in it & you will be fine.This is the Saudis country if you dont like it leave & if you believe everything your told without living here & having your own experience then you have no right to comment. Of course any death is tragic but sensationalising it for some kind of effect is sick.
Fix your own house first before youmove onto someone elses

Mike eyFebruary 27, 2012 10:37 EST

I was in chop chop square in 1994 and it wasnt that bad. Other countries should practice that principle.

clarkMarch 11, 2012 19:00 EST

been there and done that just because me and my two friends
wanted to see if was for real, well it is, and the way they push you to the front know that you are a westerner, laughing,slapping and
kicking you as you go. Then after its over, fighting your way out
like fighting for your life, they realy liked that. Half or more don\'t even know why there being killed. All you folks who have all these
opinoins about whether its good or bad, if you can get in the country go check it out for yourself then you may have another
opinion. never go back to that country again will take my chances
here.

LetoApril 23, 2012 09:00 EST

I think death penalty for some crimes is fair. If you kill someone, then you should be killed because you took his life in the first place. Because of Saudi Arabia justice system it’s the only place that you will be safe. Criminals will think twice before killing someone innocent.

Uncle JoeMay 02, 2012 10:20 EST

Friendgill wrote: "The Soviet Union was the same way during the height of the Stalin era ... Truth be told, there were people perishing by the millions in the Gulags for crimes like being late for work, or being unemployed for longer than a few weeks..."

If you'd mention the public cooking alive and eating flesh of those billions late for work, then your set of ridiculous cliches about life in the USSR would be complete. Ware up, mate, the Cold War is over but you keep bathing in its propaganda.

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