On the Margins of Freedom

An essay by a Canadian convicted of murder
Illustration by Mathieu LavoieIn 2004, Atif Rafay was sentenced to three consecutive life terms for the brutal 1994 murders of his parents and sister in Bellevue, Washington. Lacking physical evidence, the local police worked with the RCMP to obtain a confession in British Columbia from Rafay’s best friend and alleged co-conspirator. To get it, Canadian officers used the controversial “Mr. Big” scenario — illegal in the United States, where it is considered a form of entrapment — in which undercover agents pose as high-level crooks, then prompt a target to describe his involvement in a past crime as a way of gaining trust.

Rafay was an eighteen-year-old arts student at Cornell University at the time of the murders. He has always maintained his innocence.
This intense conviction of the existence of the self apart from culture is, as culture well knows, its noblest and most generous achievement. — Lionel Trilling

Once upon a time, I saw a documentary featuring black and white footage of Glenn Gould, shot soon after his first recording of The Goldberg Variations, in which he had taken such extraordinary liberties — excessive liberties, some thought — with Bach. Although by then in his mid-twenties, the pianist gave the impression of being still almost a boy, still very much the prodigy. Seated outdoors, he answered his interviewer reluctantly, as if unused to conversation. Shifting around in the chair awkwardly, as if also unaccustomed to furniture, he spoke in quick runs, punctuated with abrupt halts. But gradually enthusiasm overcame diffidence. As he warmed to his theme, he became himself: voluble, playful, precise. The nimble fingers danced his ideas for the camera; the face radiated happiness and confidence. “I’ve often thought that I would like to try my hand at being a prisoner,” he said later in the film. “I’ve never understood the preoccupation with freedom as it is reckoned in the Western world… to be incarcerated would be the perfect test of one’s inner mobility.”

I had known Gould’s recordings and writings for more than a decade when I heard this declaration, but though I had been incarcerated for just as long I didn’t think I understood freedom. I felt, rather, that prison had left me bereft. If I had been changed, it was not for the better.

Perhaps Gould’s remarks were offhand, no more than callow bravado from a private genius. I should have liked to ask him what he intended with the phrase “inner mobility,” and I wonder whether he ever came to feel that he understood freedom. What remains vivid in my memory is his powerful sense of something as yet undisclosed to him of freedom, of something elusive but nevertheless essential to attain. His words reach at it. They are properly philosophical. They make a problem of freedom, so often taken for granted; and perhaps philosophy has no higher calling than to make us aware of what we take for granted, by drawing our attention to this something problematic about life that may constitute its very meaning.

I have been a prisoner almost half my life, more than long enough to know that what finds voice in Gould’s words — more than a sentiment, less than an idea — is fairy tale. Is my interest a symptom of the wish to be convinced that incarceration (to the ordinary world an object of revulsion and derision, of horror and contempt) might possess some special worth? That kind of wishful thinking happens all the time in prison, and everyone usually encourages it. Sufferers wish to be reassured that they have had more from their suffering than damage, and so prisoners addle themselves with the hope that their prisons may do more for them than ruin their lives and limit their understanding. Naturally, the world at large finds this entirely endearing: such hope obviates any need to make the expectation plausible. Though I otherwise scoff at the substance of things hoped for, do I fasten to Gould’s valorization of incarceration with the self-serving fervour with which the poor and meek might cling to Christ’s blandishments? If I do not imagine inheriting heaven or earth, am I nevertheless flattered to think that I have tested inner mobility, and understood freedom?

I hope not. Even if I thought prison could deliver such understandings, I would have to count it among the sadder bargains imaginable. There are no colder comforts than knowing precisely all that one has missed and that is forever irrecoverable. But I do not harbour even these illusions about what actual incarceration brings; nor can I pretend it offers any illuminations that are not benighted. The proper attitude toward real prisons, these disgustingly efficient contraptions for turning men into ghosts, is the one Conrad’s narrator strikes in Chance. Marlow does not ever think to try his hand at prison. It is rather a thing that leaves him sick: “sick and scared.”

I do wish I could have an improper attitude. I wish I could talk of trying my hand at prison as if it were an especially enchanting pianoforte; I wish I could belong to the world that can. But I am not so free. I can never think of prison without being sick and scared.

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Gould’s words interest me not despite their fairy tale quality, but precisely because of it — because they evoke a fairy tale I loved long before I knew of prisons, and love still, even in dismal rooms and worn-out clothing, after dumb drudgery and cold nights, through solitude and disappointment. I have always loved fairy tales, those of the brothers Grimm and those grimmer than any they told, and the fairy tale that underlies what Gould said that day is perhaps the greatest of them all: the loveliest, and the grimmest.

Its scheme is simple. There was once a soul in bliss. But bliss was lost, and the soul went unrecognized, even to itself. Only in and through tribulation and sorrow, on the wheel of fire at the summit of human experience, was the soul again acknowledged and recovered. The fairy tale tells us that we cannot grasp what we have until it has been lost, that only pain discovers the soul in its perfection. Only through suffering can human beings reach their ultimate potential; only by agony do they become who they are. Though I call it a fairy tale, the narrative forever verges on tragic myth: against the cliff Prometheus is bound and unbound, again and again.

The premise of this fairy tale is the idea of the durable spirit, that old and cherished faith in the indestructibility of the human soul. This belief was powerful enough to ensure that the medieval familiarity with the effects of torture is not discernible in the age’s representations of hell, in which the victims are imagined to remain lucid. As Erich Auerbach so movingly observes in Mimesis, the denizens of Dante’s Inferno are not consumed by their ghastly punishments, but become more fully the individuals they are and have been on earth. Their essential character can only be brought into ever-higher relief; eternal judgment perfects it. Though each soul is given being by God, its individuality belongs to itself and is inalterable in essence. These unique souls and their inevitable destinies, which are only figured here on earth, are fulfilled in the afterlife. In such a conception of self, only that which remains constant through carnage counts as real: the soul’s mobility is the true measure of its authenticity. So it was that the Inquisition’s torturers never feared to destroy those they tormented, for what mattered in their victims was beyond all destruction. God sends souls to suffering and damnation forever, but he thereby preserves them in their human uniqueness forever. They also serve who only stand and burn. And by its very irrevocability and the infinity of its torture, the prison of the Inferno becomes a setting against which the humanity of the damned stands out with a glory that eclipses mere divinity.

It took the Enlightenment to make this formidable story finally incredible, to recognize that human beings are not given to themselves at the moment of their conception nor on the day of their birth, but must be continually made to be: to acknowledge that the process is a construction and not a revelation. Man is not, as Rousseau thought, “born free”; a world is needed to liberate the human spirit. In one way, the idea was far from new. Epictetus had taught it emphatically: “Only the educated are free.” But it had been set aside in the era when Augustine could write of the “disease of curiosity,” and Lactantius could ask what blessing could be had from learning the source of the Nile or “some mad theory about the sky.”

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40 comment(s)

Bev BidermanMarch 14, 2011 23:24 EST

Atif Rafay\'s article left me sickened and scared for him. I checked out the website that his supporters maintain and it does appear that he has been terribly wrongly convicted. I wonder if there is something that Walrus readers can do.

Sean BradfordMarch 17, 2011 09:45 EST

I truly loved wading through this man's carefully constructed essay. I wish his lawyer and him the best, for it is all I can do. Godspeed.

Tom March 18, 2011 16:11 EST

self indulgent garbage.

Victims?

terryMarch 18, 2011 20:50 EST

Had his philo on lock down loved that, been a while since ive read anything from the heart. My heart goes out to him separte from his involvment in the crime or lack there of. To understand subjective existance is a very hard thing to accept, i cannot imagine the pain mundaine routine causes in an endless prision sentence.

Aunt JemimaMarch 18, 2011 20:51 EST

No patience for this. It's unfortunate that this so-called 'prodigy' won't have a chance to grow up. If only he hadn't acted SO weird after his parents were murdered- i.e. weird enough that anyone would convict him.

MaryMarch 19, 2011 10:33 EST

This was a fascinating read. Rafay is clearly brilliant. That does not, however, mean that he was wrongly convicted. Nor do his assertions that he was. That will be determined on appeal.

fujikatsMarch 19, 2011 20:04 EST

I wouldn't be too quick to take to heart Atif's essay. He certainly knows how to use big words, enough to confuse most readers. The facts of the case do not lean to the innocence of Sebastian and Atif. The crime committed was a vicious, horrific, violent act against Atif's parents and
handicapped sister. What could be more terrible. Whether he swung the weapon or not, Atif has been convicted of organizing and enabling this horrible crime. I have no doubt that living one's life in prison is everything terrible and awful as Atif describes it. And, why should it not be? It could never be as terrible as what his family endured. And they don't get to talk about their experience or agonize over it's value to their humanness. They are dead.

PanamaHatMarch 21, 2011 22:00 EST

What a surprise—prison is a drag?! Hmmm, I wonder why...

By the way, the writer needs an editor, badly.

JeremyMarch 24, 2011 14:05 EST

Why can't we separate his guilt/innocence from the brilliance of the essay?

It's still an erudite and coherent meditation on freedom and discipline that discusses the situation in which all prisoners find themselves, regardless of guilt or innocence.

And to Rafay's, he just grazes the possibility of his innocence with the discussion of Dostoevsky – it's not like the essay screams, "I didn't do it! Free me!"

And as much as academia gets caught up in polysyllabic buzzwords, sometimes big words better describe complex concepts than short anglo-saxon words.

kramerMarch 24, 2011 20:35 EST

I don't know how much of this Atif actually wrote himself, but it seems like he's trying way too hard to look smart.

Too much fancy language, sentences were too long. It requires too much work for the reader, Like panamahat said, some editing could have made this a much more enjoyable article.

expoMarch 30, 2011 08:54 EST

This essay is not well-written. I agree with the other commentators who noted that.

Well-written prose does not require this level of effort to decipher. It seems like an attempt to sound intelligent. When something is written well, the reader knows that it is well-written but also takes pleasure in reading it.

By the way, why would someone confess to a "mobster" that he killed his family, and then later say that he didn't do it and was coerced into doing so. I don't buy it.

EdMarch 30, 2011 16:44 EST

I got 3 pages in and put it down. Unreadable.

AMarch 31, 2011 14:58 EST

Expo, 25% of the DNA exoneration cases in the United States — that's one in four — encompassed innocent defendants who made incriminating statements, confessions, or guilty pleas. Why do innocent people confess? For any multitude of factors; the mind works in mysterious ways. Educate yourself on Mr. Bigs. Educate yourself on false confessions and erroneous admissions of guilt.

The criminal justice system is operated by humans. Humans make mistakes. I'm always baffled by how the general public is quick to assume and assert that because a person is convicted, he or she must indeed be guilty of the crime, and should, for that reason, be locked up in deplorable and inhumane conditions. Educate yourself on wrongful convictions, because, sadly, they happen all too often.

If the essay was not preceded by an introduction of the author to the reader, I imagine most people then would have found themselves able to read the work for its substance, without the encroachment of their overarching prejudice, predisposition, and preconceived notions. If you set your opinions as to Rafay's guilt or innocence aside — if you'd note that his essay doesn't once refer to the crime of which he was convicted, or whether he did or did not commit it — you'd realize that his essay talks about freedom, sure, but also about the ineffable conditions of this country's prison system. My take-away on freedom (whatever meaning you attribute to the word) is that it is something so misapprehended, incomprehensible, underestimated, and taken for granted in this world. As far as penal policy goes, it seems Canadians are content to say that the moment you are convicted of a crime, your inalienable human rights are surrendered, and you cease to be human altogether. Educate yourself on the lamentable conditions, corruption, and powertripping that take place behind the walls. [Justice Behind the Walls is a good book with which to start.] But even if you don't care about how prisoners are treated, keep in mind that the vast majority of them will eventually be released back into society. Think about the kind of person the thick air of rage brewing inside a prison will generate.

In my opinion, this essay is incredibly well written. I read each word with care and assiduousness, often rereading sentences and paragraphs, not because it was unreadable, but just to take it all in again. His language seems like a product of the literature and authors he reads. I'm not mad at that.

But my opinions aside, the Walrus Foundation has an educational mandate. Keep an open mind when reading. Compartmentalize any bias, and, above all, educate yourself.

16April 04, 2011 12:36 EST

Well-written read. Thanks.

BrendanApril 06, 2011 16:29 EST

I am outraged by the dismissive critiques offered by some in this comment section. There can be no greater contrast in insight between Mr Rafay and the likes of those who would diminish the value of this work.

Guilt or innocence aside, this was wonderfully written. There is some merit in using language that is accessible to a wider audience, but there is also value in the tone taken by this author. I am certain that anyone who thinks this unreadable would say the same of Dostoevsky.

If you are threatened by writers who have the audacity to speak eloquently, you are only denying yourself the very legitimate aesthetic of \'fancy language.\'

Well done Mr. Rafay, I was incredibly moved by this essay.

LizApril 07, 2011 21:00 EST

Depictions of prison (in _The Shawshank Redemption_ and Camus's _The Outsider_ , for example) have often led me to romanticise. How stoical I would be in prison! How nice to have my days structured so that I could devote myself to reading or to thinking! Rafay's article, which I found dense but well-written and very thought-provoking, shook these assumptions to the core.

I was particularly moved by his self-description as "wretched" in the final section. It is important to remember to care for the most vulnerable and suffering members of society, and not only because it is entirely plausible that, by some twist of fate, we could end up being one of them.

KBApril 10, 2011 22:19 EST

I think it fair to say that this essay really is poorly written. Does Rafay try to look intelligent to engender our sympathy? I see no reason to presume this. The essayist drops names and buzzwords in the fashion of someone who has read a lot but had little opportunity to discuss what he has read with others and wants to be recognized, such as a literate prisoner. When he is not showing off to the class, Rafay makes a handful of valid and enlightening points about the experience of a life sentence (which he has had ample opportunity to discuss). Whether Rafay is guilty or not is beside the point; there surely are innocent people in his situation, and is it so much better if the prisoner is guilty?

AnonymousApril 14, 2011 00:37 EST

I immensely enjoyed reading Atif Rafay\'s meditation on freedom while living in prison. It is a subtle, nuanced, thoughtful, painful, introspective and ultimately enlightening piece that asks the reader to imagine dimensions of freedom from a perspective most of us don\'t often get to contemplate. I\'m thankful that The Walrus showed the wisdom in giving the essay a prominent play in its April edition. Of course, I am grateful that Atif Rafay shared his contemplations with us and hope that he will continue to write and share.

CasperApril 18, 2011 21:31 EST

Thank you Tom. Concise and effective.

What most people seem to be missing is that a common trait of true psychopaths is their ability to appear sympathetic or even charismatic. It's one of the chief tools they use to draw you in.

Rafay's victims know better, they've learned it the hard way. The fortunate ones get to live on haunted by that lesson. May the less fortunate ones rest in peace.

Ken April 25, 2011 19:16 EST

Casper (presumably not the ghost, although he knows what the dead think) writes that "a common trait of true psychopaths is their ability to appear sympathetic or even charismatic." And what if a person actually is sympathetic or even charismatic? Does that make of him/her a psychopath? How does Casper know that Rafay is a psychopath? Because Rafay is sympathetic. (Had the state in its wisdom judged Burns and Rafay to be psychopaths, they would have been found not guilty due to insanity.) It seems to me that the chief trait of a psychopath is to believe things that have no basis in reality.

PMay 03, 2011 10:19 EST

Thanks for giving us a channel to publicly communicate to you our feelings. Not about your pseudo-intellectual rubbish, but about how society looks upon the likes of you, JW Gacy and other depraved, utterly loathesome, irredeemable human excrement who will never again experience pure joy, love and goodness in in this life or any. I just keep thinking of the sickening thunk that aluminum bat must have made as your buddy made a bloody mash of your poor, helpless kid sister's head, and how you laughed about it while relaying it to the undercover police. I have a feeling that when you finally realize the eternal reality you have signed up for, life in prison will seem like a walk in the park.

DonnaMay 05, 2011 13:47 EST

Aunt Jemima - yes, so true. In this world we judge people not by their actions, but by whether they fit into our ideas of "normal." How disgusting we are.

Atif and Sebastian are in prison and the killer walks free. All the Canadian "know it alls" on this website should have attended the trial, like I did, if they wanted the truth. But they don't want that, that would be too unpleasant. Their fantasy helps them feel like they are better than this "guy who knows too many words."

DonnaMay 05, 2011 13:48 EST

"Have no fear of robbers or murderers. They are external dangers, petty dangers. We should fear ourselves. Prejudices are the real robbers; vices the real murderers. "

Victor Hugo

PMay 05, 2011 21:47 EST

If I were a juror at his trial, I would have condemned him just for talking about the murders to the fake mobsters the way he did — in a jovial, flippant manner. Scared for my life or not, I would never have desecrated the memory of my beloved, recently murdered family that way. It showed an utter lack of affection and respect. The defense that he was play-acting only damns him more, for if he could so effortlessly act that callous, belying his supposed inner agony, then he is conversely capable of playing the meek, bereaved son and brother he purported to be in court.

Rafay, please do keep the descriptions of your misery and discomfort coming. It's the only satisfaction any decent human being will ever get out of this sordid and tragic tale.

JHKMay 06, 2011 11:02 EST

Atif,

You guys are still my Bros. I'm still with you. Most people have no clue what is going on in this upside down world. God Willing, we will see each other at the light at the end of the tunnel, everything will turn out ok, and we can laugh together about who God finally chooses to punish (Bush, Obama, Rothschilds, Bilderbergers, Royal Family). Peace (Of Mind).

Jimmy

PMay 06, 2011 11:02 EST

It's 3:23 a.m. in Manhattan and I just got home from a Cinco de Mayo party. Now, I think I'll get a snack and a drink at my local, downstairs. I've got a full day of meeting friends and other fun things tomorrow. The forecast is for a glorious, sunny Friday, and we're going to have a picnic in Central Park. It's times like these that make me glad that I'm not in prison for MURDERING MY FAMILY.

Happy Friday, Rafay.

PMay 06, 2011 11:03 EST

C'mon Rafay. Admit it. You were ashamed of them. They didn't measure up to your 'westerness' and 'erudition.' You and Sebastian are specially gifted, aren't you? Admit it, already. I would have been ashamed of them, too!

The difference between you and the 99.999999 percent of humans you despise? They, and I, wouldn't have killed their own flesh and blood.

That cold little cell is a fitting container for your grandiose ego.

PMay 06, 2011 11:03 EST

"Have no fear or robbers or mruderers."

Ok, Donna. Good luck with that ...

PMay 06, 2011 11:03 EST

Ken,

I can't even begin to address your post to you, as I think it futile. Get an education, if it's not too late. But I would like to state this for the rest of the readers.

Psychopaths are aware of the reality normal people subscribe to. They just don't think it applies to them. Think Hitler, Gacy, Bundy. I think Ken is thinking of 'psychotics."

DonnaMay 10, 2011 11:52 EST

P - You know a lot of psychopaths, and to me, you sound like one as well. Who else glories in the discomfort of others. The mirror awaits.

I do notice that you igore FACTS like they are MAGGOTS and grasp on "normalcy" as if it were gold. That explains a lot about you and your desperate little posts. If the only way you can feel better about yourself is to say "at least I didn't murder my family" then I really wish you all the luck in the world. You need it.

PMay 10, 2011 16:20 EST

Who revels in the discomfort of others? Sadistic murderers, of which I'm not one.

You are the company you keep.

ken klonskyMay 10, 2011 22:49 EST

Why is P so angry and full of hate? If he doesn't agree with an opinion or idea, he gets personal. "Get an education, if it's not too late." As to his statement, "Psychopaths are aware of the reality normal people subscribe to. They just don't think it applies to them." I completely agree with both sentences. The second sentence is what makes them delusional.
I would ask P to look at the record he has left here, and then suggest that he calm down.

PMay 11, 2011 13:07 EST

Easily misled apologists for evil, manipulative people make me angry. They are dangerousnd. Celebrity worship of murderers upsets me.

DMPMay 20, 2011 16:07 EST

P,

How can you be so sure of your opinion on who committed the murder? I hope the young men are innocent, as they claim. But I would never excuse evil. You are upset? - It would upset ME in turn, if based on my hope you would call me a worshiper of celebrity murderers.

How can anyone pass judgment on the author's erratic tape-recorded behavior mere months after the murders? In addition to feeling threatened, has anyone ever experienced a scene that this 18 year old has experienced, where the butchered were his own family? Has anyone lost his family in this manner? How can a person claim any expertise on what the "normal" behavior in such circumstances should have been?

I am very glad I can NOT claim to know what I would have done, and how I would have acted.

The essay is an invaluable source of insight about prison life. I too love Nietzsche. I too do not suffer fools easily. Yet I never even killed a cockroach, of whom there were many in my dormitory while a university student.

It is good to refrain form judgment, especially of those, who do not like us, bored philistines. Our senses may have lost their sharpness, provided they have ever had any. We may simply be biased.

bmoreverJuly 07, 2011 14:51 EST

Atif appears to be confused by thinking that prison is for the purpose exacting "punishment" when he speaks of its failures in that regard. Atif, prison is a place to keep me safe from you and your ilk.

Atif was not convicted on the basis of his confessions alone. Ask the prior commenter "JHK" whether Atif executed his entire family or not. Jimmy Miyoshi (who has changed his name to James Hiroshi Kira) knew well of Atif and Sebastian's plans to kill the Rafays for life insurance money. He testified against his friends (not willingly) and notwithstanding the a claim (weak that it is) that he was "forced" to, he admits their guilt again, under no apparent threat, as recently as two months ago here: http://crimint.wordpress.com/2011/03/11/james-hiroshi-kira-responds/#respond

Donna, your little blog was as irrelevant and uniformed at the time of the trial as your comments are here.

otropogoDecember 04, 2011 21:29 EST

This is the most eloquent critique of our Anglo-American system of justice I have ever read.

The author's guilt or innocence of the crime of which he's been convicted has no bearing on his observations, which shine a searing light on the utter moral bankruptcy of our society.

When animals are treated in the manner described, even inadvertently, a hue and cry goes up, and righteous people bestir themselves to confront and punish the perpetrators. How then can such systemic torture be inflicted by "public servants" on human beings? It seems we need a Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Human Beings.

Whether we know it or not, we all live in the hell described by Atif Rafay. Those of us whose eyes and ears are sometimes open cannot help but perceive it in the malice of police, prosecutors, judges, social workers, and legions of other bureaucrats who revel in the sadistic abuse of their powers, and in the sheepish demeanor of the majority (one hopes) who merely look the other way and robotically rally to the defense of their brutal colleagues.

But even those for whom this reality never rises to consciousness cannot avoid it. The unconscious mind is never asleep to the presence of danger. And this may account for the angry ad hominem attacks on the author.

When one is paralyzed by fear, it is so much easier to side with the torturer than the victim.

The irony is that this Anglo-American culture, so dominant in the world today, still parades its pride in having defeated Hitler's police state, and is so unmindful of its own monstrously disproportionate cowardice, absent concentrations camps, or an Eastern Front, as to persist in castigating the citizens of the Third Reich for failing to vigorously oppose the Nazi regime.

BMOREVERDecember 27, 2011 13:37 EST

Atif is not someone who was born into a culture of poverty and incarceration. He bears no resemblance to many of the men he is housed with in prison. He is not a product of his environment, like so many other inmates who share his world. Whether Atif ever admits it to himself or anyone else, he is responsible for the slaughter of his innocent family. He is a coward. He is a monster. He is not a reflection of the problems in our criminal justice system. Pick a different poster boy Otropogo.

MartinDecember 28, 2011 13:38 EST

i recommend to everyone to watch the documental on discovery channel about this case... and research more information... but people get blindfolded by this guy who kill his own family...

i can't believe that actually are people who think they are inocents... the way they act after the murder...not even going to the funeral?, how they make sure that everybody notice them that night anywhere they went on that nigh..( a $5.00 dollars plate and leave $ 8bucks or been so loud on the theatre and screaming) so they make sure ppl will remember them,when actually they commit the murder in the midle of the dinner and cinema, also they try to make it look like it was a robery so when they were cuestionated about what happend this guy said he notice his music device was missing... who buys that?not me..i don't buy it i am not stupid, you just found your family murdered and then you notice that? also how in the world would you refuse to help police when they travel to canada and this guy close the door on their face saying is was no going to talk to them and he was gonna get a lawer? why you don't want to help to find who killed your family? because you did it!!!

How in the world can you laugh when you tell the story about killing your family regardless of mr big set up still sebastian goes : the only part that was kinda hard it was the girld cause she was moving from one way to another covering ...and then right there both Atif Rafay and Sebastian Burns laughed (remeber that atif's sister had a severe grade of authism)...even if you didn't kill them how can you laugh about that? ther is no way! they laughed because they kill them! people here you need ot wake up and realize that is serious that you are in favor of this 2 monsters... is something to really think about... all of you who think they a re innocents...you should get more information about this case...and obviously not info from those websites made by Tiffany burns (sebastian's sister) or the one from atif. i really hope they spend their rest of their life in miserable condition...ps: sorry for my english but is my third lenguage.

also in a ceremony offered in canada for this 3 souls... Atif get out of the ceremony when the ceremony was far from ending and then he was acting like a liltle kid running into a car and laughing really hard??? really???? and they were refusing to talk to media right in the beggin to the ceremony a reporter ask them why they keep denying talk to the midia? they didnt respond and moments later is when atif get out of the building laughing and running into a car and all laughing inside the car... you really have to be mentaly retarded to think they didn't do it... seriously people you can not be so blindfolded!!!!

philipJanuary 02, 2012 22:00 EST

Rafay is not trying to act or sound any smarter than he actually is. He is not the pseudo-intellectual he\'s being accused of. He talks that way everyday, all the time. (and yes, it can be a bit of a put off).
I served awhile with him in a maximum security institution in Washington state. I don\'t know if he is innocent as he claims to be, or not. My hunch is that he\'s absolutely dead fucking guilty. I do know however, that his take on freedom is completely non-abstract. As any of us would immediately have when serving a triple-life sentence.
Please try not to get distracted with his guilt or innocence, but focus on his being a kind of de-facto expert on the subject.
But hey, you would be too -if you whacked your parents...

sarafinaMay 21, 2012 21:36 EST

Atif Rafay is guilty as charged. It was an unfortunate day that he met Sebastian Burns.

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